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#26 
Question about low price digital cameras 9 г., 8 мес. назад Репутация: 0  
Hello Oleg,

I have no idea if this is the correct forum section, as I can't understand the russian titles....

But here is my question:
As a matte painter for the movie industry I am looking for a low price range digital camera that makes good high res pictures and has a large memory - do you have any suggestions? I manly need to build up photo reference with landscapes, skies and buildings. Thanks for answering !

Here a digital painting I did that uses partly photoreference, partly handpainting:



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RE: Question about low price digital cameras 9 г., 8 мес. назад Репутация: 9  
Hi,

Fist of all I would like to say that I'm impressed with you work!
Second – you really selected right topic – for the DSLR cameras, that you really need...

That to define what to buy for your needs I really need to know following things:

1.Maximal size of you final Digital Art work in pixels. This will define the type of camera and amount of megapixels for your future camera. Probably we may to spend less... and to buy compact camera...
2.Are you ready to take in your trips the camera of 1+ kg weght?
3.How much... you may spend or if you don't know, I can select for you 2-3 types of cameras and explain the differences.

Memory: Memory in a good camera will be defined only by a flash card. You may buy them separately of camera for your needs as many, as you want.

The camera must be able to take shots in the RAW format. Only from RAW you may get maximum quality of the image and to make final picture(photo) as you wish(colors, saturation, etc) or like you saw it in reality.
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RE: Question about low price digital cameras 9 г., 8 мес. назад Репутация: 0  
Hello Oleg,

thank you for your nice comment.

Matte Painting is a very old cinema special effects technique - the idea is simply that it is easier to paint a fantastic or unreal landscape/building than to build it in studio or even in 3D. It's used up to today in many productions and games, although we do not paint with brushes anymore like in the old days, but use mixture of photoreference, photoshop painting, 3D and compositing programs like After Effects. In my picture up there is no 3D at all for example.

About your questions:

1) Normal size I work at is twice cinema screen resolution: 4096 pixel in width of image. If you then compress to 2048 pixel, handpainted details tend to dissappear nicely. This is most common size, but it can happen that I need to work much bigger, like for pubicity campaign posters to be published in street or so. But that is not so often.

2) Yes, but lighter would be preffered.

3) preferably under 500€, but please go ahaid and give some examples anyway

Ok about the memory card I understand, this is logic. Interesting what you say about RAW format.

Thanks for the help!
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RE: Question about low price digital cameras 9 г., 8 мес. назад Репутация: 9  
So, at least you need the same or close resolution in pixels for the width of image.

Compact camera, newest and cheapest which would be good. It is with RAW which is the rare function in compact cameras...
1. Newest Canon Powershot S90
This is with maximal width 3648, but with good lens on the wide position(that you need) and quality (RAW) for such type of camera.

2.Newest Canon Powershot G11(I tested myself and probably will take it)
It is also with the same size of picture 3648 pixels, but with greater quality of lens, has many advanced functions like on professional cameras. In short words this camera could be a second camera to DSLR of professional photographer that he take it for some case, if the main is damaged or something else. Also for this camera is cheap native underwater box .

Now about best chose for you – DSLR camera. Of course with RAW. All DSLR has it.
There are many various to select what you need.
However I personally would select Nikon D5000 as a cheapest for the current moment with the excellent quality of image (however there was in the first series of this camera bad bug, but not now)
Resolution in pixels is 4288 for width.
However to take it with the cheapest kit lens isn't good thing if you take DSLR. You need to take for you needs of taking landscape's shots the lens Nikkor AF-S 16-85/3,5-5,6 DX – this one will be the best quality of relatively cheap wide angle zooms from all brands. Others same type are not the same quality and if better, then cost way more.
Various of lenses is the advantage of DSLR cameras. Even with the kit lens AF-S 18-55 that are going together with the camera you may get better sharpness and small details than mentioned above both compact cameras. Another advantage of this camera is the weight.
Don't take the DSLR cameras with 10 megapixels – there is old type of sensor – more nosed.

Finally there is the camera, that is somewere in between the compact and DSLR in terms of picture quality, however more close to DSLR. It is Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GF1. The width is 4000 pixels. You should select the lens for this camera that will have say 80-90 degrees of the field view on the shor end of zoom. Possible the fixed focus or zoom. I would select the fix due to better quality. But zoom is always more handy.

About all these cameras you may read on dpreview.com, or on original sites. Just remember - the samples everywhere is internal in-camera Jpeg output that is always worse than you may get manually converting Using Adobe Camera RAW in Photoshop or in Lightroom (Or if you are user of Mac – there is other powerful RAW convertor)

The best chose – DSLR with the quality level lens doesn't matter is it 12 Megapixels or 24. The lenses would define the main quality of image, even on small “resolution” of camera matrix. Also DSLR nose of image is way smaller and details are greater than on compact cameras.

Importance of RAW - first of all you may easy remove chromatic abberations of the lens. This will make better quality of image, especially on the edges (translate my article here on the site for the RAW in CS3). Second - you may get the right colors, wider dynamic rage (range of lights from "over"dark to real overlight) and less nose.
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Последнее редактирование: 28.10.2009 23:33 Редактировал Oleg Maddox.
 
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RE: Question about low price digital cameras 9 г., 8 мес. назад Репутация: 0  
Hello Oleg,

sorry for not answering earlier.

This is very good an valuable advice!

I think for my needs the Canon Powershot G11 looks the best. It seems to combine good photographic qualities with a lightweight, easy to transport camera. You know on most occasions I can gather materials on trip that are not specially destinated to far or exotic places - walks in city, or short one day trip to nature. Like when I was in Switzerland last time - I did not have camera and was very upset to miss all these beautiful landscapes, often on unexpected moments, like a trip in car, or a short moment in train when you suddenly see a amazing landscape coming by for a minute. I think for these occasions a little lightweight camera that you can quickly pull out of your bag is a good solution.

It is not so much a problem that it does not cover the full 4096 pixel width range, because mostly digital paintings or matte paintings use many small photographic reference on many spots of the image, which in itself do not cover more than maximum 1/3 or 1/2 of the pixel width. As we "cunstruct" new images we often use reference from many different locations to build totally new locations...like big rocks in Mordor in "Lord of the Rings" were actually reworked photographs from small stones from a beach in New Zealand ! In a well done Matte Painting the public is unable to "recognize" were elements are coming from, which are photograph, which painted and which 3D.

Example, matte paintings from Star Wars (not by me):





And I noticed I made a mistake in my last post, I actually linked to a work in progress picture, not the final one

Here is the final one




I also retain your advice about the bigger cameras. But I think I will learn and experiment first with one of the smaller ones.
If you don't mind I will return to this forum in the future to share my photographs and digital paintings ?

Thank you for your time and your great help !
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RE: Question about low price digital cameras 9 г., 8 мес. назад Репутация: 9  
I know the feel when you look around in some beautiful place and have no camera....

You are always welcome here!

Damn, need to make easy registration for the foreigner users....
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